I carried this out from the darkness of the comments for all to read.
The only time Christ mentioned salvation was when he mentioned "those who try to save their lives will loose them......" did you say you were saved? And about praying, He said, not to be as those, who pray many prayers and instructed to say ONLY ONE PRAYER the LORDS PRAYER. Something here is odd huh?
by lalepop on Sunday October 9, 2005 @ 6:29 PM (del)
For lalepop: Thanks for post, but if you gonna quote scripture or make reference you need to put where you got it from. Second God used people to show His salvation and power. I would say more but i need you to be more specific as far as you saying Christ only said it once. Even if that is true, and I will find out, just remember that Christ showed up in many situations and used lots of people to show his magnificent and saving power. Third the Lord's Prayer is a moderl prayer. It is a great prayer if you are just learning to pray but the prayer itself is a model and teaches us how to pray as it was for Jesus' disciples. It shows that we should praise God first, pray for his work in the world, pray for our daily needs, and pray for help in our daily struggles, and this pray is found in Matthew 6: 5 - 15.
by JesusMySalvation on Sunday October 9, 2005 @ 7:34 PM
I said what I said quite on purpose and I'll continue to make my points time............................................FROM MATTHEW 5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you. 7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven,.......................................................... You say, the Lords prayer is a model for other prayers and I say this, those are the words from the mouth of Christ as recorded by his apostles and he says what he says yet you prefer to expand on the obvious intention and that is TO SAY THOSE WORDS AND ONLY THOSE WORDS!(that all may pray one prayer and in doing so may be united in it, where, it is acknowledged that we desire the lords will and by addressing indeptedness we further acknowledge that we trust in him and know he knows our needs). We were told to pray ONE prayer! Rather than distort his teachings ever so subtly but profoundly to suit your needs, Which by the way is profoundly pretencious is not the WAY. It's far better that a child read the text than to have the text taught by a teacher without the understanding necessary to teach it! Regards
by lalepop on Sunday October 9, 2005 @ 11:17 PM (del)
Matthew 23 24: You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!
by lalepop on Monday October 10, 2005 @ 12:11 AM (del)
"Seek Christ in very low places and he will teach you face to face".
by lalepop on Monday October 10, 2005 @ 12:14 AM (del)
I respect that you can quote it, but you must have a DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD. I did not take that out of context, all I did was take it DEEPER into what it says. If you were as intwined in the word as you sound, then you should know that the Lord's Prayers is also called the Model Prayer. And if you look up prayer in a concordance, it will refer you to scriptures where you will see that people prayed..... not that they prayed the Lord's Prayer, but that they prayed to Jesus. When it says dont pray babbling prayers, He meant praying to just be scene or that takes focus off of Him. One example is Matthew 26: 39. In this verse he prayed may this cup (cup of suffering and separation) be taken away and that God's will be done, not simply the Lords Prayer. Now in saying all that there is nothing wrong with the Lord's Prayer, but when you have a personal relationship with God you must pray specifically just as in Matthew 26:39!
by JesusMySalvation on Monday October 10, 2005 @ 1:10 AM
I respect that you can quote it, but you must have a DEEPER UNDERSTANDING OF THE WORD.I did not take that out of context, all I did was take it DEEPER into what it says. ********************So, I MUST have a deeper understanding to understand the words of the Savior huh? I's suggest you stop going to the depths you go because it distorts the Truth of his word, Remember Christ was the one who suggested the SIMPLE YES OR NO and wasn't he the one who walked on TOP of the waters and the one who promices to lighten the yolk? Anyone that KNOWS CHRIST take him on face value GO DEEP IF YA WANNA But Keep "YOU MUST" TO YOURSELF...................If you were as intwined in the word as you sound, *************Entwined in the world, you jest. I paint and I live in one room, my income is $795.00/month. My oldest son lives about 20 miles away and I have about four good friends that I see regularly. I paint on average 16hrs/day but have been blogging for 16hrs/day for the last 8 days. I have no credit cards or debt and don't own a car and never been in jail!!!!! ENTWINED, I don't think so.****************** then you should know that the Lord's Prayers is also called the Model Prayer************and who came up with the words "Model Prayer" , maybe I should come up with some words to manipulate the readers of scripture*********And if you look up prayer in a concordance, **************it will refer you to scriptures where you will see that people prayed..... not that they prayed the Lord's Prayer, but that they prayed to Jesus.*************** THAN, THEY WERE NOT PRAYING AS JESUS INSTRUCTED, JESUS IS THE TORCH BEARER NOT SOME PEOPLE PRAYING***** When it says dont pray babbling prayers, He meant****YOU KNOW WHAT CHRIST MENT HUH, HE SAID WHAT HE MENT, WHY THE EXPLINATION, OTHER THAN TO SUIT YOUR NEEDS. LET THE READER DETERMINE WHAT BABBLE IS, WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, LEST THE READER THINK YOU BABBLE****** praying to just be scene or that takes focus off of Him. **************One example is Matthew 26: 39. In this verse he prayed may this cup (cup of suffering and separation) be taken away and that God's will be done, not simply the Lords Prayer.********************THAT IS CHRIST PRAYING HIS CHOICE OF PRAYER BUT HE HAS INSTRUCTED US HOW TO PRAY, REMEMBER WE FOLLOW HIM NOT HIM FOLLOW US ***************Now in saying all that there is nothing wrong with the Lord's Prayer, but *********************when you have a personal relationship with God you must pray specifically just as in Matthew*********************NOW YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH, A VARIABLE TO THE LORD'S PRAYER AS YOU INITIALLY SUGGESTED WAS A PERVERSION OF THE TRUTH************* 26:39! Nothing I've said should be inturreped as malace but rather a critique of that from which malace arises. You see, what you say has been in the world for a long time and the world has only suffered for it. The trees are dieing, the ice is melting and there is the killing of women and children because folks like you "THINK THEY KNOW BUT DON'T" ENOUGH SAID, I'M OUTTA HERE!!!!
by lalepop on Monday October 10, 2005 @ 3:25 AM (del)
It was very understanding of you NOT to have deleted the above post and Is to your credit. I realized that you aided in making my point about ONE PRAYER by the reference to scripture mentioning the cup of separation and division where his prayer is for it's removal. Our prayers can be a means of separation from one another, the very thing that Christ prayed to be removed. The ONE PRAYER he essentially commanded because of the clarity of words like DON'T. I hope you understand the importance of this single issue particularly when there is such a division within the "Christian ranks" made up of good people all along with the misunderstandings that even good people have. If your teaching would include the ONE PRAYER idea that Jesus put forth, it would go a long way in the healing of the Body of Christ. My intention yesterday was to "stop you In your tracks" so you'd have no choice but to eventually hear me out. I don't think for a moment you have any ill intentions and I do believe you've paid a price for the understandings that you do have. No Christian should be "above" hearing the Truth from the mouth of another. In that spirit I hope you have a greater understanding of for the fact that our knowledge is not the bearer of greater understandings but our Compassion for one another. That compassion requires that we MAKE SURE WE LISTENED TO THE WORDS THAT CHRIST SPOKE AND GETTING IT in a way that it becomes unswerving and a buttress against misunderstandings. . On the issue of prayer, to be considered a "TRUE" Christian requires that ONE PRAYER permeate the ranks of Christianity as it was to be in the beginning.
by lalepop on Monday October 10, 2005 @ 3:05 PM (del)
The only other issue to be addressed is the reference to WORD in St. John and how that the word WORD applies to all word. Not just those contained between the pages of the Bible. The Scripture is clear on this issue but is a misunderstanding that the Christian community will have to deal with in spite of what "THEY" think.
"GOD IS WORD"
Regards
ONLY A TRUE BELIEVER GIVES UP ALL GODS BUT ONE,ALL PRAYERS BUT ONE, ALL MATES BUT ONE, AND GIVES UP NOTHING TO THE DECEPTIONS OF SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS!
by lalepop on Tuesday October 11, 2005 @ 3:08 AM (del)
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